increase defense spending, whereas democrats, they want to increase spending on medical research and education. so, therefore, you're going to have some type of difference in opinion on where we increase spending and where we cut spending. jon: every household in america has, you know, virtually every household has really been through the wringer ever since the financial crisis of 2008. virtually everybody has taken a hard look at their budgets, cut a little bit here, a little bit there. why can't -- why is it so tough to do the same thing in washington? why is it so tough to impose, say, a spending freeze on all federal agencies or, god forbid, even a spending cut? >> because unfortunately, jon, we have put politics in this washington, d.c. over policy. you have lobbyists on capitol hill chomping at the bit because they want to protect their special interests. but members of congress need to do their job and now put policy over politics because self-preservation is the first law of nature, and if today don't do their job and if we have another very public government shutdown, i believe that p